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#49684: "Shrink Ray on Wings"

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Oct 1 st 2021 05:27 • oninohugo • لم يتم اعادة انتاج الأخطاء من قبل المطورين حتى الآن:

On the same subject, interaction between Jets/Wings/Armor and any extra damage/effect dealt on claws/damage should be investigate.

Oct 1 st 2021 17:47 • voriki • لم يتم اعادة انتاج الأخطاء من قبل المطورين حتى الآن:

"Wings activation should prevent shrinking"

No, it should not. Why would it? Getting a shrink token isn't the same as getting damage.

Oct 1 st 2021 17:50 • thoun • هذا ليس خطأ:

voriki is right !
If you check How to play section at the bottom, you will see a google doc listing all those investigations ;)

Oct 5 th 2021 06:29 • oninohugo • هذا ليس خطأ:

So I guess all 508 BGG rules threads are answered by a 30 lines document because 478 of 'hem are about Mimic? Maybe you never played the game but have you even read your own lil' google doc? I ask because none of those cards are mentioned in it (except for their relation to mimic). And is all you need to dismiss a bug report is a random dude who doesn't know shit to say the opposite? At least pick up the rules and cards.

1st ed. Shrink Ray: When you deal damage to Monsters, give them a shrink counter.
2nd ed. Shrink Ray in the Iello USA website rulebook page 7: Donnez 1 jeton Toupetit à chaque Monstre que vous blessez avec vos *Smash logo.
Dark ed. Shrink Ray: Give 1 Shrink Ray token to each Monster you Smash with your *Smash logo.
Dark ed. rulebook Glossary page 7: Wound or Smash: a Monster Wounds or Smashes another Monster when it has him lose 1 or more *Heart logo with her *Smash logo during the Resolve Dice step.

Please be humble and ask someone who knows to fix this mess.

Oct 5 th 2021 09:27 • thoun • هذا ليس خطأ:

There are 2 tabs in the doc : one is dedicated to Mimic, the other is for all other questions ;)
Those answer are from KOT publisher. (I have to accept his answers even when I'm not sure about his interpretation.)

As you mentionned, in the first edition, it's when you deal damage, and in the last edition, it's when you smash players.
As I understand the vocabulary : damage is when you lose heart, and smash is when you roll claw, even if it doesn't result in actual damage. I agree Glossary you quote is confusing !

Oct 6 th 2021 06:06 • oninohugo • هذا ليس خطأ:

I said no line in this doc adresses any card I mentioned and you're still waving it without being able to quote any on the subject. Dropping off-topic official answers is your answer? Those cards haven't change for 10 years, no forum, no thread is seeing what you're seeing and no one finds the glossary confusing. But hey, English is not my primary language too so when I stumble upon a new word, like the word "or" in "Wound or Smash", I flip the dictionary. Merriam-Webster's "OR: alternative, equivalent, substitutive, either". Are you familiar with those words? Maybe you don't know what an "equivalent" is. I'm happy to help, same source "EQUIVALENT: Equal in force, amount, or value. Corresponding or virtually identical especially in effect or function".

Maybe you're more fluent in french or spanish and you know what's funny? My primary language is french! As Iello, the editor you're waving without name dropping behind KOT. What a coincidence! I wonder what the Shrink ray card has for text in the latest uploaded rulebook they have... Oh that's right, I already quoted it yesterday: "Donnez 1 jeton Toupetit à chaque Monstre que vous blessez avec vos *Baffes logo." Don't bother, I can translate: "Give 1 shrink token to each Monster you wound with your *Smash logo."

J'espère ne pas devoir leur écrire qu'un modérateur de forum sur les anomalies a trop de lacune en compréhension de texte pour ne pas se borner à défendre le codage de sa propre compréhension erronée du jeu ? Nombre de joueurs sont en train d'apprendre à jouer n'importe comment et je suis humaniste.

Wise up or pass the torch.

Oct 6 th 2021 08:04 • oninohugo • هذا ليس خطأ:

Seems I turn into Mr. Hyde behind my keyboard after midnight. Don't mind the sarcasm, read the points and see for yourself on p.7 : iello.fr/regles/regles_KOTv2.pdf

I already have the physical game and yours is premium so I don't mind but there's a lot of interactions to fix.

Oct 6 th 2021 09:51 • thoun • تم تأكيد الخلل من قبل المطوريين:

I asked publisher again about this and he changed his answer to match what you said.
He said english card text will be changed on next releases to better match french text.
I will adapt the implementation according to this new detail of the rule.

Oct 7 th 2021 05:10 • oninohugo • تم تأكيد الخلل من قبل المطوريين:

Good news for everyone. I didn't have the chance to encounter interactions with Jets/Poison tokens and such but it could have been implemented the same. I'll let you know if I run into that, though you probably have faster access to such data. Regards

Oct 7 th 2021 08:42 • thoun • تم إصلاح العلة:

I didn't mentioned jets in my message but I indeed fixed it, like for the 3 others cards that can cancel damage

Oct 8 th 2021 02:38 • oninohugo • تم إصلاح العلة:

Fast indeed

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